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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Dec 22, 2012 10:10am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Some sane points I made - see? the spam is on schedule - lol

and you can tell none of it is really advertising, no contact info or anything. just gibberish to make some posts go away. A clever way to censor

I've been involved throughout the day in a Facebook guns and schools debate.. Either I'm on crack and have lost it, or there's something wrong with this picture.

Sorry, you simply cannot declare logical arguments "nuts" and expect me to take you seriously.

OF COURSE we should allow teachers to have concealed weapons. That doesn't mean we should require it, that doesn't mean they walk through the halls strapped with grenade launchers, it simply means that individuals who are trained and responsible and would like to carry a gun should be allowed to. I can't fathom why anyone would oppose this. What's the downside? Seriously, what's the apparently obvious calamity that could come from competent adults having the ability to defend themselves and their students, should the unlikely need arise? What? Do you imagine they'll be bum rushed for their firearms by unruly pupils? There are some schools that have police officers assigned to them. I've never heard of even one case of an officer having his gun stolen from him. So what's the negative to this plan? Do you fear the teacher will go insane and become a threat? Well if you feel that uncertain about the mental stability of our educators I imagine you aren't sending your kids to public schools in the first place. Do you really think having a licensed and trained teacher with a gun would be of NO help at all should another school shooting take place? They'd be just as vulnerable with one as without one? How so?

To oppose allowing willing and responsible teachers the ability to carry can only be motivated by politics. I see no other reason to oppose it.

However you feel about gun control legislation isn't even relevant here. This should be obvious to everyone. This should be a given. If you really want to protect kids this is a logical and completely non-political measure to take.

I don't love guns. I don't hate guns. I don't have an ideology about guns. We've already allowed a deeply spiritual problem to be reduced to a discussion of an object. Can we please not follow that up by letting our politics get in the way of purely rational preventative measures?

The phrase "teachers with guns" may evoke some sort of visceral reaction from you. But you're an adult, get past that.

Once again: if a TRAINED and LICENSED teacher WANTS to carry a CONCEALED weapon they should be permitted to do so. I'm not suggesting every teacher in America be required to walk around with a machine gun. There's a nuance there that should be pretty obvious to everyone - So let's make this happen, allright?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 22, 2012 10:45am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Some sane points I made - see? the spam is on schedule - lol

As a former high school history teacher, I'm not sure I would have been the one you wanted carrying a gun in the classroom when I was 25. Nothing like another bad day and a room full of disrespectful teens to make me go postal. I guess the logical next step would be to arm the students so that if the teacher goes off, they are protected. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing - I'm just saying that I'm not sure that addresses the problem. Remember, there were armed guards at Columbine.

Here's a cop that was at Columbine and his take on things. Again, no solutions, just thoughts:

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Dec 22, 2012 12:01pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Some sane points I made - see? the spam is on schedule - lol

haha...good point - you never did go postal, but then you didn't have a gun handy - lol

I didn't know there were armed guards at Columbine - a lot good they did!
I'll add, every classroom have a small "Safe Room" thats very secure. A shooter with body armour would be a big problem too.

I hope any recomendations are implemented at a State and not Federal level. If anything can be f'd up, the Feds will do it plus it will cost 10 times more.

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Dec 28, 2012 8:07am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Some sane points I made - see? the spam is on schedule - lol

Re: sane points?

Rasta, the Feds "are us". Remember, people have amnesia now. They've been brainwashed. They think this is the way things have always been. I'm tired of making this case. What ever happened to "guns and butter"? These days it's guns and spying. Data mining and arms sales are our two biggest industries. Have you noticed how their domestic use and their exports continue to grow? I believe most good Americans should be saying "blow me" to this crap. This is insane, not to mention, it's disgusting!
• Earl, the NSA is building this facility in Bluffdale, Utah - our Country’s Biggest Spy Center
National Security Agency whistleblower William Binney revealed he believes domestic surveillance and Data Mining on Americans has become more expansive under President Obama than Presidents George W. Bush-Dick-Cheney. NSA's Binney estimates the NSA has assembled 20 trillion "transactions" — phone calls, emails and other forms of data — from Americans. This likely includes copies of almost all of the emails sent and received from most people living in the United States. Binney talks about Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act and challenges NSA Director Keith Alexander’s assertion that the NSA is not intercepting information about U.S. citizens. This interview is part of a 4-part special.

Binney served in the NSA for over 30 years, including a time as technical director of the NSA’s World Geopolitical and Military Analysis Reporting Group. Since retiring from the NSA in 2001 he has warned that the NSA’s data-mining program has become so vast that it could “create an Orwellian state.” This year was the first time Binney has spoken on national television about NSA surveillance.

William Binney discusses the NSA’s massive power to spy on Americans and why the FBI raided his home after he became a whistleblower. Binney was a key source for investigative journalist James Bamford’s recent exposé in Wired Magazine about how the NSA is quietly building the largest spy center in the country in Bluffdale, Utah. The Utah spy center will contain near-bottomless databases to store all forms of communication collected by the agency including private emails, cell phone calls and Google searches and other personal data.
• Spy drones will be flying in your town anyday
Federal aviation regulators have acknowledged dozens of universities and law-enforcement agencies have been given approval to use drones inside the United States. The list includes the Department of Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection, various branches of the military, defense contractor Raytheon, drone manufacturer General Atomics, as well as numerous universities. Police departments with drone permits include North Little Rock, Arkansas; Arlington, Texas; Seattle, Washington; Gadsden, Alabama; and Ogden, Utah.
China Toughens Its Restrictions on Use of the Internet
by Keith Bradsher, Dec 28, 2012 Hong Kong — The Chinese government issued new rules today requiring Internet users to provide their real names to service providers, while assigning Internet companies greater responsibility for deleting forbidden postings and reporting them to the authorities. The decision came as government censors have sharply stepped up restrictions on China’s international Internet traffic in recent weeks. The restrictions are making it harder for businesses to protect commercial secrets and for individuals to view overseas Web sites that the Chinese Communist Party deems politically sensitive. The new regulations, issued by the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress, allow Internet users to continue to adopt pseudonyms for their online postings, but only if they first provide their real names to service providers, a measure that could chill some of the vibrant discourse on the country’s Twitter-like microblogs. The authorities periodically detain and even jail Internet users for politically sensitive comments, such as calls for a multiparty democracy or accusations of impropriety by local officials. Any entity providing Internet access, including over fixed-line or mobile phones, “should when signing agreements with users or confirming provision of services, demand that users provide true information about their identities,” the committee ordered.

• meanwhile, Apple CEO Tim Cook 'waves hello' to his Chinese Slave Workers on March 29, 2012